Time Nick Message 00:11 saschaheylik_ thats a good idea 00:11 saschaheylik_ will you code a patch or should i? 00:11 saschaheylik_ im gonna stay awake tonight anyways 00:13 saschaheylik_ just did some back yoga excercises.. after all those years of debugging with bad posture having a relatively relaxed back feels way better than christmas 00:14 saschaheylik_ np: http://radioreddit.com/listen/#electronic 00:14 hmmmmmm it's just changing a default constant somewhere, not that big of a deal... 00:14 hmmmmmm is there a way to disable clouds? 00:14 saschaheylik_ but exactly one person has to do it 00:15 saschaheylik_ if yes, id guess its in defaultsettings.cpp 00:17 hmmmmmm ah 00:18 hmmmmmm enable_clouds and enable_3d_clouds 00:18 hmmmmmm i don't mean to be picky, but isn't that kind of dumb? it ought to be something like clouds = 0, 1, 2 00:18 saschaheylik_ the second one results in a loss of information 00:19 saschaheylik_ which results in confusion and the likely mistaken belief that "clouds" represents the total number of actual clouds in the game. 00:19 hmmmmmm well it could be named better too 00:19 hmmmmmm cloud_options= 00:21 saschaheylik_ no reason to change it really 00:30 hmmmmmm so is it safe to say that kahrl is completely gone? 00:31 hmmmmmm I want shaders in minetest 00:31 saschaheylik_ that doesnt depend on minetest 00:31 hmmmmmm ??? 00:31 saschaheylik_ but on irrlicht 00:31 saschaheylik_ minetest uses irrlicht to render 00:31 hmmmmmm he was working on a shaders_v3 branch 00:31 saschaheylik_ hm 00:31 saschaheylik_ idk 00:32 hmmmmmm https://github.com/kahrl/minetest/tree/170075954bd56f2ff4567caa9099be757f75a2f9/share/client/shaders/the_darkness_of_light 00:33 Octupus can i say something im not a big person in mt but i understand a bit of lua but i think that the next stable version of mt shud have mobs they we're on 3.1 but they werent very good 00:33 hmmmmmm http://c55.me/random/2012-07/mobs.tar.gz 00:33 Octupus they looked like cardboard (my opinion) shud look 3d 00:34 saschaheylik_ are those genuine 3d mobs? 00:34 hmmmmmm 3d animated stuff is going to be difficult to implement but it's going to have to get in there sooner or later 00:35 saschaheylik_ why difficult? 00:35 hmmmmmm and this would be another good reason to have shaders for lighting 00:35 saschaheylik_ irrlicht is a 3d engine 00:35 saschaheylik_ not a 3d+2d engine 00:35 hmmmmmm because of the lighting 00:35 saschaheylik_ to be honest, ogre wouldve been better 00:35 hmmmmmm too late for that now 00:35 saschaheylik_ cel thinks so too if i remember correctly 00:35 Octupus its difficult because u have to create a code for them and then u have to node box them into 3d then u have to use lua to make sure its the right code 00:36 hmmmmmm maybe sometime when our current problems are fixed there can be an Ogre3d branch 00:36 saschaheylik_ how long do you think would it take to rewrite mt? 00:36 hmmmmmm but right now my main concern is getting the mapgen a lot better and fixing mapgen bugs so it's more playable 00:36 hmmmmmm and fixing performance problems 00:36 hmmmmmm pfth oh boy, a long time 00:36 Octupus i was thinking of a mob which wud be able to create but i suck at coding 00:37 hmmmmmm celeron probably doesn't have the drive to do such a massive rewrite; this is where a fork would really be warranted 00:37 Octupus is mobs writtten in lua also 00:37 hmmmmmm yea 00:37 saschaheylik_ he doesnt have to do it alone 00:37 Octupus ok making sure 00:37 saschaheylik_ and the second time is easier 00:38 hmmmmmm sascacheylik_, right now he's the only person who is familiar enough with the project to do something like that 00:38 saschaheylik_ so if somehow we could get some numbers to play with 00:38 saschaheylik_ one can become familiar by reading the source as i have 00:38 Octupus hmmm what did u say u were working on 00:39 hmmmmmm performance issues, mapgen 00:39 saschaheylik_ i did commit a fix (cel calls it dirty hack) for "localhost" not working as server address like "127.0.0.1" does 00:39 saschaheylik_ to my github fork 00:39 Octupus ahh in some of mt server i see that it takes maybe 15-20 mins for the chunks to load 00:39 saschaheylik_ https://github.com/saschaheylik/minetest 00:40 Octupus secs srry 00:40 hmmmmmm that is such a dirty hack 00:40 saschaheylik_ oh u talking to him? 00:40 saschaheylik_ does it matter? 00:40 hmmmmmm um yes 00:40 saschaheylik_ why? 00:40 hmmmmmm because it's dirty and it's a hack 00:40 hmmmmmm things done the right way are better 00:40 Octupus lol 00:41 saschaheylik_ how could anything be righter? 00:41 saschaheylik_ it solves the problem perfectly in very few lines 00:41 Octupus did u guyz see the hacked client that szden made? 00:41 saschaheylik_ nope but id like to 00:41 hmmmmmm well it could resolve "localhost" correctly to 127.0.0.1 00:41 saschaheylik_ ok 00:41 hmmmmmm that's patching an underlying bug with a bandaid 00:41 Octupus well right in gameboom 00:42 Octupus u need to earn privs and u cant get fly and fast but szden got them because of his hacked client 00:42 saschaheylik_ going deeper probably takes more time 00:42 saschaheylik_ and well.. i gotta spend all of that on getting some cash asap 00:44 saschaheylik_ ive been researching seo, programming and online marketing for such a long time now and still nothing to sell and google is such a bitch 00:44 Octupus lol 00:44 Octupus u cant get stocks from google anymore 00:44 hmmmmmm guys, general chatter should be in #minetest or #minetest-dev 00:44 hmmmmmm #minetest-delta 00:45 saschaheylik_ why? 00:45 hmmmmmm if you chat here about non-engine stuff, that decreases the signal to noise ratio here 00:45 Octupus back to what i was saying the default person shud look more realistic 00:45 saschaheylik_ where was the signal? 00:45 hmmmmmm see topic 00:45 saschaheylik_ if im the only signal, is it noise? 00:45 hmmmmmm when we were talking about the engine... 00:45 saschaheylik_ Octupus: i thought about adding 3rd person 00:46 saschaheylik_ like in mass effect and a bunch of other new games 00:46 Octupus i have also i cant code but i can contribute to the texturing once im home tomorrow 00:48 saschaheylik_ do you think people would pay for minetest? 00:48 Octupus maybe once every comes together perfectly 00:49 Octupus *everything 00:49 saschaheylik_ yeah but the thing is if we had a budget we would be able to make sooo much more profit 00:49 Octupus 3d stuff,mods,talking bots 00:49 Octupus etc 00:49 saschaheylik_ talking bots? 00:50 saschaheylik_ who'd do the voiceovers? 00:50 saschaheylik_ cant outsource that without.. money. 00:50 * OldCoder laughs 00:50 OldCoder Octupus, hello again 00:50 Octupus hello 00:50 saschaheylik_ or maybe people would donate towards us making a better minecraft happen? 00:51 Octupus maybe 00:51 saschaheylik_ if people on facebook liked it, i just took a lesson on facebook marketing 00:52 saschaheylik_ but for that you need lots of people who like the game and have facebook to start with 00:52 saschaheylik_ how many of you have facebook? 00:52 Octupus hmm is this chitter chatter or can this be here for development of the mt 00:52 Octupus me 00:52 hmmmmmm saschaheylik_, what behavior did you experience if you had entered localhost? 00:52 saschaheylik_ technically that is kind of related to development 00:52 saschaheylik_ hmmmmmm: wouldnt stop connecting 00:52 hmmmmmm did it not resolve? did it resolve to an invalid address? 00:52 saschaheylik_ and server says failed to emerge player 00:52 saschaheylik_ you can try it in celerons build 00:53 saschaheylik_ no it didnt say anythign about resolving 00:53 hmmmmmm Oh 00:53 hmmmmmm did you have the server running...? 00:53 saschaheylik_ uh yeah... 00:53 saschaheylik_ and server says failed to emerge player 00:54 hmmmmmm well then it connected 00:54 hmmmmmm successfully 00:54 Octupus sas also in youtube some1 can put an account and put videos and such because i heard if u get more than a million likes u get money :) 00:54 hmmmmmm and it sent a TOSERVER_INIT command 00:54 saschaheylik_ no i mean the screen 00:54 saschaheylik_ the screen after you hit connect 00:54 saschaheylik_ it stays 00:54 saschaheylik_ get me? 00:55 hmmmmmm did your server say anything else before failed to emerge player? 00:55 hmmmmmm should have emergePlayer(): 00:55 saschaheylik_ Octupus: youtube is full of minecraft videos 00:55 saschaheylik_ it wouldnt stand out 00:55 saschaheylik_ like at all 00:55 Octupus mt videos sas 00:55 saschaheylik_ people wont see the difference... 00:56 saschaheylik_ and flame about the shitty name 00:56 saschaheylik_ not that im good ad finding names either 00:56 saschaheylik_ *at 00:56 Octupus yes but if you fill the videos with entertaining stuff and it hits front page the videos will get like fast 00:56 hmmmmmm saschaheylik_? 00:57 saschaheylik_ hmm 00:57 saschaheylik_ not u hmmmmmm 00:57 saschaheylik_ hmmm 00:57 saschaheylik_ not u 00:57 saschaheylik_ right 00:57 saschaheylik_ ? 00:57 hmmmmmm what? no i was asking you what text came before "failed to emerge player" 00:57 saschaheylik_ Octupus: there is no reason not to combine it with facebook 00:58 Octupus ik but i was just suggesting that u get money for getting for than 1 mil likes 00:58 saschaheylik_ way too hard to get that many likes at once 00:59 saschaheylik_ better just use the large audience and make them pay 00:59 Octupus k 01:00 Octupus if u want i can host the facebook Minetest if u want 01:00 hmmmmmm this stuff has absolutely nothing to do with the engine, PLEASE take it to #minetest or #minetest-delta 01:00 saschaheylik_ Octupus: cu #minetest 01:01 Octupus srry hmmm 01:01 saschaheylik_ Octupus: /join #minetest 03:16 VanessaE + 03:48 VanessaE oops. 03:48 VanessaE (my cat says hi) 03:50 cornernote hi, is there any way to popup a formspec without the user punching a node ?