Time  Nick       Message
02:06 * mrtux    is away: Going to play Minetest
13:04 jbooker    hi all, anyone around?
14:57 Anchakor2  damn, those olympic games have the worst game design - total grind, almost no skill or knowledge required
14:59 sfan5      lol
15:08 Calinou    lol
17:05 Mallot1    hello i
17:05 Mallot1    need serious help
17:05 sfan5_     what can i do for you?
17:06 Mallot1    well
17:06 Mallot1    igot
17:06 Mallot1    BANNED
17:06 sfan5_     by me
17:06 Mallot1    n
17:06 Mallot1    no
17:06 Mallot1    by
17:06 Mallot1    segfault22
17:06 sfan5_     umm, he can't ban you
17:06 Mallot1    i just posted my fork
17:07 Mallot1    oh
17:07 Mallot1    i dont know
17:07 Mallot1    mYBE
17:07 Mallot1    SPOTS
17:08 Mallot1    this is the post
17:08 Mallot1    STOP DELETING MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY! PLZ STOP! the Editionx version runs with no lag. i edited the players texture and added cartoonish and realistic textures. i dont know how to post images.  i will post the game in about 30 minites stay tuned. Minetest Mallot1 edition
17:08 sfan5_     too much caps
17:09 sfan5_     i deleted the post because "STOP DELETING MY POST!![...]! SERIOUSLY! PLZ STOP!" was there
17:09 Mallot1    withut the caps
17:09 Mallot1    srry
17:09 Mallot1    i didnt put that there until
17:10 Mallot1    the 5 repost
17:11 Mallot1    i wrote this the first time the Editionx version runs with no lag. i edited the players texture and added cartoonish and realistic textures. i dont know how to post images.  i will post the game in about 30 minites stay tuned. Minetest Mallot1 edition 0.0.1 : htt
17:11 Mallot1    heres the links
17:12 sfan5      i didn't delete the first post
17:12 Mallot1    Minetest Mallot1 edition 0.0.1 : http://www.mediafire.com/?osdq53o2r5s7lpj
17:12 Mallot1    oh ok
17:12 Mallot1    oh
17:12 sfan5      what should i do with the link?
17:13 Mallot1    they said i post twice
17:13 Mallot1    its just the link
17:13 Mallot1    no reason
17:13 Mallot1    the first post
17:13 Mallot1    the links were broken
17:14 Mallot1    second time i fixed them and it posted twice
17:14 Calinou    Mallot1, -_-
17:14 Mallot1    third time you deleted and banned me
17:14 Calinou    seriously
17:14 Calinou    stop with your so-called "fork"
17:14 Mallot1    yes
17:14 Mallot1    ?
17:15 Mallot1    why
17:15 Calinou    if you only change the textures, it is /not/ a fork
17:15 Calinou    release it as a texture pack
17:15 Mallot1    oh
17:15 Calinou    not a fork
17:15 Mallot1    ok
17:15 Calinou    put your textures in a "textures/all" folder
17:15 Mallot1    i didnt know
17:15 Mallot1    what to call it
17:15 Mallot1    ok
17:15 Mallot1    can i keep
17:16 Calinou    eg:http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138136/
17:16 Calinou    http://paste.ubuntu.com/1138136/
17:16 Calinou    erm
17:16 Mallot1    the other stuff
17:16 Calinou    ^ how you should structure it
17:16 Calinou    in this case, compress the "textures" folder in .zip format
17:16 Calinou    then upload it to a site like http://ompldr.org
17:16 Mallot1    i use pixlr.com
17:16 Calinou    -_-
17:16 Calinou    you said you use mediafire
17:16 Calinou    but apparently you don't use it correctly
17:16 Mallot1    i do
17:16 Calinou    if you want simple uploading stick to ompldr
17:16 Mallot1    i use pixlr
17:17 Mallot1    for
17:17 Mallot1    the editing
17:17 Calinou    don't use enter as punctuation on IRDC
17:17 Mallot1    of textures
17:17 Calinou    IRC*
17:17 Mallot1    ok srry
17:17 Mallot1    how  do i use images
17:18 Mallot1    on the forum page
17:19 Mallot1    hello
17:19 Mallot1    ping me
17:19 Calinou    http://imgur.com
17:19 Calinou    ^ upload them here
17:19 Calinou    then paste the direct link in [img] tags
17:19 Calinou    eg: [img]htttp://i.imgur.com/12345.jpg[/img]
17:20 Mallot1    thx
17:20 Mallot1    am i banned  forever
17:21 Mallot1    i made a nother acount on the forums to apologize
17:21 Mallot1    and i got banned again
17:21 Mallot1    im so frustrated
17:21 Mallot1    brb
17:24 sfan5      its better if you can read
17:27 Mallot1    what
17:27 sfan5      "2 day ban for: insunting other users, massive use of caps"
17:28 darkrose   and random line breaks
17:28 Mallot1    i did buy
17:28 Mallot1    i did read
17:29 Mallot1    but you said i wasnt you
17:29 Mallot1    i got banned for double accounts
17:30 Calinou    I didn't ban you
17:31 Calinou    probably some other moderator
17:31 Mallot1    sfan said he did
17:31 Calinou    next time... be mature, don't insult other users
17:31 Calinou    and keep in mind there's an "edit" button to edit your posts - do not create duplicate topics
17:32 Mallot1    i get bannned everyday for pity caps double accounts
17:32 Mallot1    oh yeah thx i forgot
17:33 sfan5      Mallot1: if you're banned don't make another account
17:33 Calinou    ban evasion can get you a much longer ban
17:33 sfan5      yep
17:33 Calinou    I usually don't permaban people who ban evade, but they get at least one month
17:33 Calinou    permabans are a very bad idea
17:33 Mallot1    i was trying to appologize
17:34 Mallot1    );
17:34 Mallot1    im soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bummed
17:35 Calinou    don't repeat characters on IRC... and don't use enter as punctuation
17:39 Mallot1    what do you mean by dont use enter as punctuation
17:40 Calinou    don't use the "enter" key as punctuation. use "," instead or ";" or "-"
17:40 Mallot1    ok
17:41 Mallot1    well i there something i can do to get unbanned
17:44 sfan5      Mallot1: wait
17:45 Mallot1    ok
17:45 Mallot1    wait
17:45 Mallot1    as in i can only do that, or wait as in hold on ill tell you
17:49 Mallot1    i finished the texture pack
17:53 Mallot1    heres the texture pack
17:53 Mallot1    http://www.mediafire.com/?ucyohpgov5wy2a2
17:53 Mallot1    heres the screenshots
17:53 Mallot1    http://imgur.com/a/DBNn3#0
17:54 Calinou    to be honest, it looks like shit
17:54 Calinou    (yes)
17:54 Calinou    I'm not saying that to offend you, at all
17:54 Mallot1    hello?
17:55 Calinou    your textures are PLAIN COLORS which is basically VERY bad
17:55 Mallot1    sad ace
17:55 Mallot1    no
17:55 Calinou    you didn't even made a complete pack. you didn't change the cobblestone
17:55 Mallot1    look at the sand
17:55 Calinou    a complete pack: at least with full default mod support
17:55 Mallot1    its a first versiion
17:55 Calinou    your pack is for 0.3.1. pretty much everyone is on 0.4
17:56 Calinou    consider making a 0.4 version (you can keep a 0.3 version too)
17:56 Mallot1    i cant find the new textures of 0.
17:56 Calinou    your dirt is the default dirt texture.
17:56 Calinou    your sand too
17:56 Mallot1    0.
17:56 Calinou    your grass side doesn't blend well at all with the dirt. and it's plain colors, like leaves
17:56 Mallot1    what are you lookin at
17:56 Calinou    you actually edited FOUR textures
17:57 Calinou    this is not a texture pack
17:57 Mallot1    i edited at least 10
17:57 Calinou    please, FINISH your texture pack (don't use paint too. use GIMP, as it supports transparency)
17:57 Mallot1    I DELETED GIMP YESTERDAY
17:57 Calinou    really unfinished texture packs are not accepted on the forum; they have to be at least 60%-ish complete (at least most block textures for the default mod)
17:57 Calinou    why?
17:58 Mallot1    srry caps
17:58 Mallot1    because i didnt know how to use it
18:00 Mallot1    http://www.mediafire.com/?775gxbu9u69gctj
18:00 Calinou    google is your friend
18:00 Mallot1    lol
18:00 Mallot1    i did use google to find textures
18:01 Mallot1    and to go on http://www.pixlr.com
18:02 Mallot1    and the speeder
18:03 Calinou    you know using google to find textures can get you into court?
18:03 Calinou    you have to respect copyrights, licenses and stuff like that
18:03 Calinou    make sure you have the permission to use the textures; it is usually stated somewhere
18:03 Mallot1    ooh noooooooooh no
18:04 Mallot1    well heres the game speeer
18:04 Mallot1    http://www.mediafire.com/?aocbr3ab5n73xo1
18:05 Mallot1    well ill stick to playing minetest
18:05 Mallot1    i was just sad when everyone started hating me
18:06 Mallot1    well do you know how to make a port
18:06 Calinou    what do you mean by "how to make a port"?
18:06 Calinou    porting your pack to 0.4 is easy; you have to rename files around accordingly, most of the time by adding a "default_" prefix
18:07 Calinou    default_dirt.png, default_stone.png, default_grass.png and so on
18:07 Mallot1    in a pc so people can join your server
18:07 Mallot1    im sorry im bugging you so much
18:08 Mallot1    you are the NICEST person i talked to in the past 2 weeks
18:09 Calinou    lol, sarcasm
18:09 Mallot1    no im serious
18:09 Calinou    Mallot1, opening your ports can pose some security risks too, don't forget
18:09 Mallot1    ok
18:09 Calinou    search on google?
18:09 Mallot1    yeah
18:09 Calinou    (the default port you have to open is 30000, in UDP)
18:10 Calinou    http://portforward.com < check this too
18:24 Mallot1    hi
18:24 ecube      hi
18:25 Mallot1    anyone here
18:25 Mallot1    oh hi
18:25 Mallot1    how do you make a servver
18:25 Mallot1    or a port
18:25 sfan5      http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1037
18:26 Mallot1    im banned
18:26 Mallot1    remember
18:28 Mallot1    how do you make a servver
18:28 Mallot1    or a port
18:31 Mallot1    hello
18:31 Mallot1    hello
18:31 Mallot1    helloooooo
18:39 ecube      hi
18:39 Mallot1    hi
18:39 Mallot1    how do you make a server
18:41 Mallot1    hi
18:50 * VanessaE peeks in
18:50 sfan5      hi VanessaE
18:51 VanessaE   hey
18:54 ecube      hi
18:54 VanessaE   hey ecube
18:55 Mallot1    hi v
19:05 Mallot1    hi
19:07 Mallot1    hi
19:12 VanessaE   thexyz: youhere?
19:15 thexyz     yes
19:16 VanessaE   oh sure, right after I post on the forum ;-)
19:16 Mallot1    nhi
19:16 ecube      why 7 lines instead of 8?
19:16 Mallot1    hi
19:16 VanessaE   re: the signs mod you did -- Beautiful!  I'm curious though - the texture glitch aside, would it be logical to make this override the default signs (i.e. with the ":" prefix in front of the node name in your register_node call)?
19:16 Mallot1    hi
19:16 ecube      nvm
19:17 thexyz     VanessaE: i'm too lazy now to make my mod convert default signs to new ones
19:17 VanessaE   no need
19:18 thexyz     maybe someday..
19:18 VanessaE   just put ":" in front of your node name.
19:18 thexyz     what about placed signs?
19:18 VanessaE   the game will auto-insert yours in place of the default
19:18 VanessaE   like I did with animated torches
19:18 thexyz     text will disappear
19:18 VanessaE   different field?
19:18 thexyz     i use 7 fields :)
19:19 VanessaE   heh
19:19 thexyz     called line[1-7]
19:19 VanessaE   could I talk you into doing it anyway? ;-)
19:20 VanessaE   (that is, making your mod read the default field if the others aren't set)
19:20 thexyz     better to make it split default sign's text into several lines
19:20 VanessaE   yes
19:21 VanessaE   I was planning on making a 'yard sign' mod to go with the default
19:21 VanessaE   now it seems I'll need to base it off your code :D
19:21 VanessaE   (you know, like wall signs, but sticking up out of the ground in the middle of the node)
19:22 thexyz     like minecraft ones?
19:23 VanessaE   similar yeah
19:24 thexyz     that'd be har
19:24 VanessaE   I actually got the idea not from minecraft directly but from one of the textures in calinou's conversion of misa's tex pack
19:24 thexyz     +d
19:24 VanessaE   well without printed text it would be simple
19:24 VanessaE   with, that's a different matter
19:24 VanessaE   how did you DO that anyway?
19:25 thexyz     https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-mods/blob/master/signs/init.lua
19:25 thexyz     using [combine modifier
19:25 thexyz     like in painting mod
19:25 thexyz     maybe i'll implement 'yard signs'
19:26 Mallot1    hi
19:26 VanessaE   cool
19:27 * VanessaE looks at the .lua
19:27 VanessaE   so you render the text into a flat 'sprite' image and overlay it.
19:28 VanessaE   crafty.
19:28 thexyz     yes
19:28 thexyz     there seems to be no other sane way
19:29 VanessaE   hey, whatever works
19:29 thexyz     it also should support unicode
19:30 thexyz     unlike minetest :)
19:30 sfan5      oh, nice
19:30 Mallot1    hi hi hi hi
19:30 thexyz     some subset of unicode, though
19:30 Mallot1    hi i
19:30 Mallot1    hi
19:31 thexyz     but it worked quite well with valkatr's utf patch
19:33 VanessaE   thexyz: this is a wonderful mod - people have wanted signs with real, visible text for ages :-)
19:34 VanessaE   Would you mind making it use a custom texture instead of the game's default wood texture?
19:34 VanessaE   I'd like to support it in my texture pack but using the default wood paneling would look weird.
19:34 thexyz     do you have better one?
19:34 VanessaE   oh sure
19:35 VanessaE   https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/512px-realistic-textures/master/Vanessa_512HD/default_sign_wall.png
19:35 VanessaE   I will remove the "SIGN!" text from my work file and scale it down to 16px
19:35 thexyz     what about 16×16 one?
19:36 thexyz     that seems to be too dark
19:37 VanessaE   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/default_sign.png
19:37 VanessaE   perfect. :-)
19:37 thexyz     did you try it in game?
19:38 VanessaE   On regular signs, that big one actually looks good.  This one ^^ I just now made, haven't put it to practice yet.
19:39 VanessaE   it probably needs worked on to fit your sign's dimensions
19:41 VanessaE   might be sufficient to do...this:
19:41 VanessaE   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/default_sign2.png
19:41 VanessaE   cropped the big one to size, scaled to 16x16 without keeping the aspect, lightned the edges.
19:42 VanessaE   lightened*
19:45 * VanessaE gives it a try with the new texture
19:46 VanessaE   looks good!
19:47 VanessaE   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_216821816.png
19:58 VanessaE   thexyz: *poke*
19:58 VanessaE   looks okay with the 512px equivalent, though I need to render a good font to go with it
19:59 thexyz     i don't really like its color
19:59 VanessaE   aw :(
20:01 VanessaE   what would you rather have for a base color?
20:02 VanessaE   default_wood.png really doesn't look too attractive when used for a sign :-.
20:02 VanessaE   :-/
20:03 thexyz     current one seems good for me, except it's not solid enough
20:04 thexyz     minecraft signs are good too
20:06 VanessaE   working...
20:12 VanessaE   ok, re-tinted and lightened.
20:12 VanessaE   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_218386821.png
20:13 VanessaE   thexyz:  ^^
20:13 VanessaE   that's about the limit of the lightness of the sign, since the game has no proper lighting model on nodeboxes.
20:13 thexyz     this one is definetly better
20:14 thexyz     but...
20:14 VanessaE   but?
20:15 thexyz     shouldn't wood has some stripes?
20:15 thexyz     for example, minecraft sign http://www.minecraftserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/signcolours.png
20:16 thexyz     default_wood is nice except its stripes are too dark
20:16 thexyz     maybe not too dark but too contrast
20:16 VanessaE   imho,
20:16 VanessaE   a sign shouldn't have stripes
20:16 VanessaE   in the real world they almost never do, and in the game the stripes make it harder to read
20:17 VanessaE   the texture I use for a sign is a single, solid piece of wood
20:17 thexyz     i have never seen those signs in real world
20:17 VanessaE   I have.
20:18 VanessaE   they're not too common of course :-)
20:19 thexyz     btw, i can just change mod so it uses signs_sign.png instead of default_wood.png
20:19 VanessaE   no, can't do that either
20:19 thexyz     and copy current default_wood to signs_sign.png
20:19 thexyz     release this as update
20:19 VanessaE   the game's default sign is *ugly* :-)
20:20 thexyz     maybe not only this
20:20 thexyz     yes, it is
20:20 thexyz     but game default wood texture is good enough
20:20 VanessaE   and the textures needed for a default sign will not work for a nodebox sign
20:20 VanessaE   because they are different dimensions
20:20 thexyz     yes, that's why i don't plan to use sign texture
20:20 thexyz     > and copy current default_wood to signs_sign.png
20:20 VanessaE   right, nevermind.  I misread
20:21 VanessaE   I read that as "copy default_sign -> signs_sign"
20:21 VanessaE   also you need a 'sides' image to give the nodebox some contrast
20:21 thexyz     ok, i'll try to add yard signs tomorrow and rename texture
20:21 VanessaE   otherwise the lack of a lighting model will make it look a little flat
20:21 thexyz     sides?
20:21 VanessaE   *nod*
20:21 VanessaE   the edges
20:22 VanessaE   in that second screenshot with the default_wood-colored texture, I used a second copy, darkened a bit, and tiled it onto the sign's edges
20:22 VanessaE   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_218386821.png
20:22 VanessaE   (that one)
20:23 thexyz     i don't think that'll work good for yard signs
20:23 VanessaE   it will.
20:24 VanessaE   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/signs-20120809-2.zip
20:25 VanessaE   here are my changes.  Do with them as you see fit :-)
20:28 thexyz     there will be trouble with nodeboxes & texture
20:28 thexyz     only one texture for one nodeboxe side, iirc
20:28 thexyz     nodebox*
20:31 VanessaE   right
20:31 VanessaE   or rather, one texture per cardinal direction; any nodeboxes with sides exposed in a given direction will get the texture for that direction
20:32 VanessaE   so a wall sign can get by with two (one for the front, one for the sides/back).  a yard sign would need 6.
20:32 thexyz     yes, so it'll look strange
20:32 thexyz     yard one
20:32 VanessaE   You make it, I can texture it.
20:33 VanessaE   I presume it'll be a single plank of wood attached to one side of a single vertical pole
20:33 VanessaE   (also wood)
20:35 thexyz     yes, so two sides of that plank should have same texture as sign front/back has
20:37 VanessaE   no
20:37 VanessaE   I mean that is possible if you want
20:37 thexyz     what is possible?
20:38 VanessaE   to have the two edges use the same texture as the front and back
20:38 thexyz     yes, but it's not the problem
20:38 VanessaE   but it is also possible (trivial actually) to have textures that are drawn to make nodeboxes look more complex than they are
20:39 thexyz     the problem is that two sides of plank will use one texture (probably brighter one, like sign front or back), two others — darker one
20:39 thexyz     oh
20:39 thexyz     i forgot about that ;)
20:39 VanessaE   for example,
20:39 VanessaE   (lemme get a screenshot)
20:39 thexyz     well, i do understand it now
20:39 thexyz     no need for screenshot
20:39 VanessaE   ok
20:40 VanessaE   I was gonna show you what I did with mesecons wall lever
20:40 VanessaE   hm, strike that
20:41 VanessaE   (jeija undid or rejected my changes lately)
20:42 VanessaE   oh well
20:42 VanessaE   you build the node boxes (sanely ;-) ) and I'll texture 'em
20:59 VanessaE   thexyz: did you make all the character textures by hand?
21:00 VanessaE   that is, did you {type each one, copy&paste to image, save} or did you use a script?
21:00 thexyz     yes, by hand
21:00 thexyz     =(
21:00 VanessaE   eek
21:01 thexyz     i didn't find tool that can extract .ttf to .png's
21:01 VanessaE   :-S
21:01 VanessaE   guess I'll do this by hand then
21:02 VanessaE   (I'm adding support for your signs mod to my tex pack)
21:02 thexyz     do you want to make it use font with higher resolution?
21:03 thexyz     that's impossible without editing init.lua
21:03 VanessaE   I was going to yeah
21:04 VanessaE   is it possible to tweak the lua to have it auto-detect the size of the sign texture?
21:04 thexyz     lua knows nothing about textures player use
21:05 thexyz     lua is server-side and textures can be changed by client
21:05 VanessaE   well wait
21:05 thexyz     but [combine string is equal for everybody
21:05 VanessaE   local width = chars_file:read("*n")
21:05 VanessaE   wouldn't that read *n from wherever it's supplied?
21:06 thexyz     umm... what?
21:06 thexyz     i mean, that can work for local game
21:07 thexyz     or even for multiplayer if server admin would use your texture pack
21:07 VanessaE   hrm, good point
21:07 thexyz     but that still requires editing of init.lua
21:08 thexyz     so that will work only for players with textures that have same resolution as server(-tweaked) ones
21:08 VanessaE   hrm
21:08 VanessaE   well as it stands now, at least, the low-rez text does place properly onto the high-rez sign image at least.
21:09 VanessaE   guess I have to see it in a multi-player environment too then :-/
21:11 thexyz     sign texture can has any resolution
21:11 VanessaE   I can haz highrez textz? ;-)
21:12 thexyz     no.
21:14 VanessaE   interesting.
21:15 VanessaE   obviously high-rez is out without making a new mod, but the larger characters do *draw* larger...  and they can overwrite what's already there.
21:16 thexyz     yes, that's the problem
21:16 thexyz     sign "canvas" is 110×110 px
21:20 VanessaE   surely there has to be a way
21:21 thexyz     maybe
21:21 VanessaE   of course all this stuff's undocumented when last I heard
21:21 thexyz     anyway, time to go, bye
21:21 VanessaE   ok, see you later.
22:41 * mrtux    is away: eating supper
22:49 Mallot1    hi
22:59 * mrtux    is back (gone 00:18:10)
23:45 LunaVorax  Hello