Time Nick Message 10:04 jordach BRB, going to swtich OS 14:33 Aerodynamic Okay, I tried to get onto my Ubuntu Linux this morning and I got a GRUB command prompt, I could give more details if necessary if somebody would help me out. All my minetest and other things that have to do with building/development are on there. 14:34 brobostigon what is the grub error you are gettimg? 14:35 brobostigon Aerodynamic: what grub error are you getting? 14:36 Aerodynamic Does there need to be an error for a command prompt to appear? There were a few messages like normal but this time I guess there were a few more. They went by too fast for me to see. I'll check again in a min 14:36 Aerodynamic Usually I see about 3 messages run across the screen before boot starts 14:37 brobostigon Aerodynamic: boot from a live cd, and go into /var/log on said disk, and grubs log is there, pastebin that for us. 14:38 brobostigon infact ignore that. and just get us the errors it outputs. 14:38 Aerodynamic I dont have one, I installed into dual-boot via Hard Drive installation. Unfortunately. I know the disk is more featured and generally better to use. 14:38 brobostigon but if yu are getting thrown into a command prompt, then grub cant seem to complete its processes. have you tried to reinstall grub ? 14:39 Aerodynamic Individually by itself? 14:39 Calinou dual boot is da hell :P especially with UEFI 14:40 Aerodynamic Yeah, But unfortunately I have to do it that way because the rest of the family is unwilling to change 14:40 brobostigon Aerodynamic: reinstall grub on your first hdd mbr, so your bios can understand it properly. 14:41 Calinou "Aerodynamic> Yeah, But unfortunately I have to do it that way because the rest of the family is unwilling to change " 14:41 Calinou people afraid to switch to noobuntu 14:41 Calinou ._. 14:41 Aerodynamic I don't deal with BIOS often at all. So would you mind helping me get to the place where I re-install? 14:42 Aerodynamic In fact the only place where I have dealt with it is when I set some on-boot settings on the last computer 14:42 brobostigon Aerodynamic: in the mbr, of your first hdd. there are some good instructions for grub reinstall on help.ubuntu.com/community 14:44 brobostigon Aerodynamic: and you dont need to change anything in your bios, but it make it easier for it, it is better to put grub etc, somewhere where we can make it easier for it. 14:45 brobostigon Aerodynamic: and always make sure, you have some kind of external boot media, to help, if it breaks. 14:46 brobostigon Aerodynamic: there are some famous bugs, especially in newer version of windows, that when booted, breaks grub in various ways. 14:46 Aerodynamic You mean like a USB or CD? 14:46 brobostigon Aerodynamic: either. 14:46 Calinou Aerodynamic: there are some famous bugs, especially in newer version of windows, that when booted, breaks grub in various ways. 14:47 Calinou Aerodynamic, did you buy that computer recently? (in 2011-2012) 14:47 Aerodynamic Thats dumb.. No way of fixing that? 14:47 Aerodynamic Its extremely recent 14:47 brobostigon also, linux itself, and ubuntu/debian, isnt totally ready for uefi either, that is, if it is. 14:49 Calinou grub is partly-ready for UEFI, that microsoft shit designed to restrict computers to windows even more 14:49 Calinou it's going to be "better" with windows 8 + secure boot 14:49 * Calinou doesn't want to risk his windows; he's running linux in a VM for now 14:49 brobostigon in debian certainly, you need to build a custom live media, with the uefi grub packages, to install from ,on a uefi machine, at the moment, in debian. 14:49 Calinou brobostigon, seen my desktop (at #minetest)? :P 14:49 Aerodynamic Yeah I have windows 7, I bet windows 8 is incredibly restrictive 14:50 brobostigon Calinou: i must have missed, sorry. 14:50 Calinou http://ompldr.org/vZXFveA/Capture%20d'%C3%A9cran%20-%2014072012%20-%2015:35:21.png 14:50 Calinou windows 8 can go fuck itself 14:50 Calinou (debian testing + xfce) 14:50 Calinou wallpaper: misa's pack for minetest 14:50 brobostigon Calinou: :) 14:51 Calinou when win8 will be out, if I have to buy a new computer, I will not buy a computer with windows 8. just one without any OS, then I install linux 14:51 brobostigon Calinou: agreed, as standard grub2 is partly capable, but not completly. there is other stuff it needs. 14:52 Calinou finding computers without an OS isn't easy... 14:52 brobostigon Calinou: that why i build my own. 14:52 Calinou and they can be MORE expensive than computers with windows, as the sellers are trying to make money off linux users 14:52 Calinou building can be quite expensive too 14:52 Aerodynamic Hmm.. Well if I had some external boot media I would use it. But because this is a shared family computer and they aren't exactly into anything that involves "uncharted territory" on there part. 14:53 brobostigon Calinou: but i like the choice and the control i get, to make it how i want to, than deal with what other people think i want. 14:53 Aerodynamic They don't like that I have Linux on the computer in the first place. 14:53 Calinou the only reason I bought this computer with windows was because it was quite cheap 14:53 Calinou and because I didn't want to mess with the drivers, the graphics card being quite recent 14:53 brobostigon Aerodynamic: well, you will need some external ubuntu/debian boot media, to fix grub, i dont think it is possibl;e directly from windows. 14:54 Calinou Aerodynamic, brace yourselves, prepare for your family flaming you :P 14:54 Aerodynamic What does the Grub command prompt do? No good? 14:54 Aerodynamic When I choose Ubuntu thats what I get 14:55 brobostigon Aerodynamic: you can in grub prompt, point it at the root partition and the kernel. 14:55 Calinou Aerodynamic, boot an ubuntu live CD then you could try fixing grub from there 14:55 Calinou change the boot order in BIOS to boot from the CD of course 14:55 Aerodynamic Issue is I don't have a CD, Unfortunately my only option was to install directly to the hardrive 14:55 brobostigon Aerodynamic: and then if that works, you can change grub parameters in ubuntu, to fix it from there. 14:55 Calinou Aerodynamic, how did you do this? O_o 14:56 brobostigon Aerodynamic: install directly to the hd from what? 14:56 Calinou wait, if you're on IRC, you're on a computer then? download an iso, then burn it to a CD/DVD/USB 14:56 Aerodynamic Internet. 14:56 Calinou what software? 14:56 Calinou unetbootni? 14:56 Calinou unetbootin* 14:56 Aerodynamic I just got it and downloaded the installer from the Ubuntu website. And chose my install conditions there. 14:56 Calinou > wubi? 14:57 brobostigon dont tell me it is that thing, that allows you to install to an image on your windows partition to boot from.? 14:57 Calinou Aerodynamic, did it work earlier? 14:57 Calinou wubi is da hell 14:57 brobostigon wubi cant be fixed, especially pointing grub back at it, in my experience, 14:57 Aerodynamic I choose which one I run at boot, Windows 7 or Ubuntu. Its dual-boot and I got it by simply installing from the website 14:58 brobostigon Aerodynamic: i would start with, in grub prompt, telling it where to find the root partition and kernel. and see if that works. 14:58 Aerodynamic How am I to do that? What commands to run? 14:59 brobostigon Aerodynamic: there are some good instructions on the grub site. 14:59 brobostigon Aerodynamic: it is fairly complex. or go into the grub room on freenode. 15:00 brobostigon and ask there advice also. 15:01 brobostigon and pop over to #ubuntu-uk, they will also help, and are really nice people. 15:18 Aerodynamic Yeah, I used wubi, Its in my files for ubuntu 15:19 brobostigon i dont think it is really recoverable thn, i think windows must have messed with grub, 15:19 Aerodynamic What do you mean, "Messed with"? Intentionally screwed it up? 15:20 brobostigon Aerodynamic: not stricktly, but windows checks, certainly in recent versions, as to what boots it, and fixes it automatically if it sees something wrong. 15:21 Aerodynamic Is this why when I usually boot up I see a regular 3 error messages? 15:21 brobostigon good question, i havent tried windows7 with grub2, using wubi, so i couldnt say. 15:22 Aerodynamic What could have possibly broken it? Right at boot 15:22 brobostigon Aerodynamic: windows itself. 15:22 brobostigon Aerodynamic: and as i said, wubi is somewhat dodgy anyway, and is fragile. 15:23 Aerodynamic Thats what the other guy is telling me too. So for a good install I will need a Live CD or USB? 15:23 brobostigon yes, i was watching, 15:23 VanessaE morning all 15:23 brobostigon yes, i would agree, and make a seperate partition, or get yourself a seperate hdd, it is much easier. 15:24 brobostigon Aerodynamic: partition resizing is fairly safe now, but do backups as always, just incase. 15:24 Aerodynamic If I did that I would probably get a different version of Linux, I use Ubuntu because its the only good option I could find for dual-boot wubi install 15:25 brobostigon Aerodynamic: ubuntu would work fine, equally in that situation also, 15:25 Aerodynamic Yeah, But I would prefer another one 15:26 brobostigon Aerodynamic: try debian stable. 15:26 Aerodynamic I have DECENT computer knowledge. But I seemed pretty ignorant just now because I have absolutely NO experience when it comes to booting 15:28 brobostigon Aerodynamic: ubuntu uses debian as its basis. and debian is somewhat more standard than ubuntu. 15:29 Calinou ubuntu is more popular then debian 15:29 Calinou Aerodynamic, my post-word of advice: don't multiboot on recent computers 15:29 Calinou too late, though; you could use the "fixmbr" command if you can boot windows 15:29 brobostigon Calinou: true, yes. 15:29 Aerodynamic I was aiming at something more like Arch, Learn from the net to use everything like I have everything else. 15:30 Calinou arch sucks. 15:30 Calinou don't use it; it's a lot of hassle for little to no gain 15:30 VanessaE can't you just disable UEFI in the BIOS and be done with ti? 15:30 VanessaE it 15:30 Calinou VanessaE, no? 15:30 Aerodynamic What is wrong with it? 15:30 brobostigon Aerodynamic: also, do you know enough about linux, to fix it, as arch is a rolling distro? 15:30 Calinou UEFI is a new bios system in C, not in assembly 15:30 VanessaE as I understand, that's supposed to be a requirement 15:30 Calinou it's a whole different system 15:31 Calinou if you want a rolling distro, choose debian testing (and edit your sources.list a bit), IMO 15:31 Calinou it's much easier :P and more stable than arch 15:31 VanessaE it's handled partly by the BIOS also; you're supposed to be able to disable the secure boot entirely therein, which is supposed to give you basically the usual boot method 15:31 VanessaE except on ...ARM? ... devices, where disabling is forbidden by M$ 15:31 Calinou there is no secure boot in win7 :P 15:32 Calinou win8 will have secure boot. SHOULD be disableable but not on ARM :| 15:32 brobostigon Calinou: yes, testing is maybe better, as the stuff in there gets tested, i an in unstable, so alittle more risky. 15:33 Aerodynamic So the complexity offers nothing in return more than others? 15:33 Calinou yes 15:33 Calinou except if you want to show off your "ski1lZ", go ahead 15:33 Aerodynamic What benefits does it offer if any? 15:34 Aerodynamic Besides showing you have "knowledge"? 15:34 brobostigon Calinou: i just went with unstable, as at that time gnome3 wasnt in stable nor testing, so unstable was my only choice. 15:34 Calinou why did you want gnome3? :P 15:34 Calinou Aerodynamic, none. the AUR sucks 15:34 VanessaE gnome? ick. XFCE ftw. :-) 15:35 Aerodynamic Anything with high complexity that offers good benefit in return. (A learning experience counts.) 15:35 Calinou high five VanessaE 15:35 Calinou 4.8 rocks 15:35 Calinou :P 15:35 brobostigon Calinou: as at that point in time, i was testing gnome-shell, and other componants, and it was my only choice, with the media i had at hand. 15:55 Calinou NakedFury is now naked :o 15:56 MiJyn thanks for the very nice and appropriate joke Calinou 15:56 Calinou he wasn't, earlier. 15:56 Calinou ol 17:44 art hi what's up .. ;] i almost done making 3D torches i think i will add some "flaming effects" later but right now i need new texture can some body make one for me ? 17:46 Calinou hi art 17:47 Calinou maybe me; but I don't know _how_ your torch will be textured 17:47 art give me a second .. 17:47 Calinou no, two seconds. 17:47 Calinou :3 17:47 art is there a screan shot short key in minetest 17:47 Calinou yes: F12 17:47 art thx 17:48 Calinou screenshots are in the "bin" folder 17:49 art ahh .. bin .. yep i found .. 17:50 art http://tinypic.com/r/iws048/6 17:51 Calinou o_O 17:51 Calinou these are not torches 17:51 Calinou these are sticks 17:51 Calinou :P 17:51 art right now its used wood texture ;D 17:51 art that why it looks like sticks :D 17:52 Calinou why are you playing "minimal"? 17:52 Calinou clone this in your "games" folder: 17:52 Calinou git clone http://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game 17:52 Calinou then start a world with minetest_game 17:53 art hmy .... 17:54 art i will try... but i'm working on game core so is game needed for it ? 17:54 art i use it for test's only 17:56 art o0 .. right now i'm sure i will use it .. ther is flame mode in lua i will add it to torch ;D 17:56 Calinou minetest_game is better 17:56 Calinou as it's the "full" game 17:58 art Calinou: any way can u make for me something like this : http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Torch ^_^ 17:58 Calinou unfortunately you can't create non-cuboid nodeboxes 17:58 art i run full game now .. is there some cheats to give staff ? 17:59 Calinou all nodeboxes are axis-aligned 17:59 Calinou art, /grant singleplayer all 17:59 Calinou (allows flight/fast mode) 17:59 Calinou /giveme 17:59 art thx 17:59 Calinou /giveme stone -1 17:59 Calinou infinite-ish stack of stone 17:59 art o0 17:59 art great 17:59 Calinou /giveme MesePick 17:59 Calinou mese pickaxe 17:59 Calinou /giveme glass 99 17:59 Calinou stack of glass 18:00 art all right thx ;D 18:00 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/1091914/ 18:00 Calinou tool names for /giveme 18:00 Calinou these are particular 18:01 Calinou also, to give sticks, it's Stick, not stick. (case-sensitive) 18:30 art what do you guys think about that kind of torch for minetest ;D 18:30 art http://tinypic.com/r/2vtct9s/6 18:34 art nobody here or there is not opinion on that sh##y work 18:35 darkrose looks boring 18:36 art darkrose: any idea how to make it more interesting ? 18:37 art some animation ? 18:37 art or effect ? 18:39 darkrose the shape is ugly, the default 2d ones look better 18:42 art o0 18:43 Fixer_ my grub loads winxp well without problems 18:43 Fixer_ and win7 too 18:44 art u just killed me ..... i can not understand how 2d flat texture can look better then ... solid block .. 18:45 art i was thnikink about rounded shape or animate flame and light but it can stress game core a lot and we are talking about minecraft clone .. 3d cuboid world .. 18:46 art i simply can not accept your way of thinking .. so u prefer having all the staff in game flat 2d ? 18:46 art like flowers, fruits items etc etc 18:48 darkrose no, but a rectangular lump doesn't look as good as a 2d sprite with some shape to it 19:17 Taoki meh, I keep missing c55. 19:17 Taoki If someone else knows, I wanted to ask if nodeboxes can be animated by chance 19:50 VanessaE they can 19:50 VanessaE that 3dforniture mod has animated textures in the flame part of the 3d torch 19:50 VanessaE though I doubt the actual boxes can move around, as such 19:51 VanessaE (unless you define a whole bunch of nodes, each with the boxes in a different position, and use them like old fashioned cell animation. 19:51 VanessaE but that's CPU intensive) 20:09 Taoki nice 20:09 Taoki VanessaE: It's still for making animated players and mobs and such. You already can define a 3D mesh, but if you can also animate legs and arms that's nice 20:10 VanessaE ash that kind of animation.. 20:10 VanessaE ah* 20:10 Taoki yeah. Like legs and arms swinging when you walk, even if they're one block 20:10 VanessaE um...all I can say there is good luck with that ;-) 20:11 Taoki ah, so it's not already implemented. Ok :P 20:11 Taoki Or possible with a LUA hack 20:11 VanessaE as long as the arms and legs, when moving, actually look reasonably accurate and not this stiff mechanical sorta look I've seen in minecraft videos 20:11 Taoki yeah MC does that 20:12 VanessaE even quake3/openarena looks better, and that's hardly the pinnacle of modern CGI 23:28 cy1 what are StaticObject? 23:33 cy1 They get serialized and deserialized in every mapblock (collection of nodes that loads all at once) 23:33 cy1 Never referred to anywhere else in the code.